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Tony McLaughlin's avatar

Hi Python.

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Nice read and I love the debate.

While I admire your work and bow to your knowledge on this topic I do have some points.

1) if you accept xGot v xG is a worthy measure of finishing (I agree) then surely by definition you must accept Goals vG is also a worthy (if slightly different) measure. Have you measured Goals v xGot ?

2) You say that a 0.95 difference shows that Goals and xG converge. I disagree. A 5% swing over 52,000 data points is massive. It would be good to ask a mathematician (probably someone who doesn’t like football to erode bias) what their xVariance would be. I’d suggest (with no qualification) somewhere about 0.5% swing. There’s also the potential variance in xG measurement.

3) The players you have listed almost proves the point too. The more technically gifted players - Griezmann / Messi / Kane outperform Dzeko / Aubameyang. Messi turns 0.03 xG chances into something like 0.15 and he’s wise to take them (at times). But his speed and movement also give him loads of 0.65 xG tap ins as well. You’d really need to extrapolate all his shots for a more detailed analysis. Also a 85th minute shot v Real Madrid at 0-0 may have a different Goal to xG variance than a shot for a 4th goal against Betis. Extrapolating these instances could actually be a useful measure of “bottle”. I’m sure Messi has it but there would some others that don’t and therefore score higher on that 4th goal in an easy tie.

4) xG is fantastic and study of it is growing and great to see but it’s still in its infancy and I would suggest in 20 years time people will laugh at the suggestion a player won’t outperform or underperform Goals v xG

5) I do agree for finishing as a measure xGot v xG is the first go to measure. Even then misplaced shot (v the ideal - just inside the post) would score well even going nearer the goal by two feet whereas an almost perfect shot (6 inches off) that hits the post is given the same score one 10 feet wide. We can only use what’s available but these details are always worth remembering.

I look forward to reading more of your stuff.

Kind regards

Tony

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John Knight's avatar

Great work again, Martin! I’m intrigued by the 0.95 goals per xG. It should be much closer to 1 over a large sample, so I wonder if there is a simple explanation for this?

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